I recently had a chance to catch up with Steve Davis, co-founder of Mr. Yogato, to discuss how the DC-based (now also in Jacksonville Beach and Baltimore) yogurt shop manages their online world.

One of the things that stands out is the atmosphere in Yogato (They tout themselves “the FUNNEST yogurt experience you’ll ever have”), how do you try and translate that vibe online?
I’m not sure that we do. I think for a lot of stuff the main thing for our site is we wanted it to be unbelievably simple. No flash stuff, no 10 minutes to load, just very basic information that you can quickly find about the store. You can quickly find the rules, you can quickly find games. Some people say “you guys should do interactive flash games where you can shoot a yogurt cup with toppings”, and we have these conversations all the time, but decide not to. We wanted to keep the site really simple, which also matches the store, which looks like it was decorated by a bunch of 10 year-olds. That’s pretty much the feel of the website, very, very simple.
Anyone who really gets involved with the yogato store, the 30-day champions and people who do really goofy stuff, they do get their pictures on the site. It’s kind of a reward there, for being a 30-day champion or dressing up like Bjorn Borg. You’ll go up on the website and be able to show your friends, it’s kind of cool.
Did you ever consider going for the 30 day challenge?
I did, it would have been tough with travel for work. I would have had to find a stunt-double to come in on the off-days.
You’re allowed to have a proxy 1 day as long as you’re on the phone…
Good to know for the future…
Rule #3 in Action
You use Facebook and Twitter, do you have any rhyme or reason to the content? Any guidelines for these mediums?
We never, ever do promotions. We’ve never done, “come in today, get 50% off”. And we never do any kind of advertising. The only time we ever do posts is when we have a new flavor coming out or if there is some absurd event going on at the store like a birthday party, a concert, or Seinfeld trivia. What happens is we end up only posting one every 1 and a half weeks, maybe about 3 times a month, which I like, because I don’t like getting bombarded by any store. Which fits into this Yogato thing, of, you’re not going to post once a day with some silly offer. It’s “these are the flavors” oh, look we’re doing this cool thing, and hopefully nobody gets annoyed.
I wanted to make [Yogato] the store with everything that I wish all stores would do. In our store, all of the prices come out even. I have no idea why every store doesn’t do this. It boggles my mind that things cost $5.10, so that’s one thing. The other is constant free samples, and any time a topping is suggested, we accept it. Why would you not?
With the ad thing, people don’t like getting spam, and it’s really hard to decide what’s spam and what’s not spam. Some advertising is really good, some is really bad, so I settled that by saying “we’ll do none”. That way there’s no chance of us doing any bad advertising. We rely on really simple word-of-mouth and luckily it happened to work.
The change thing is all the copper lobby. Tin and copper, they’re very powerful. They’re just trying to keep that change in our pockets.
[Laughs Politely]
Have you guys thought about introducing any kind of e-commerce to the store?
We do sell shirts through the online store, and the whole purpose of that is if we’re out of something in the store just say “you can go on the website and buy it there” so you don’t have to come back in. The only reason I did that is to save people a trip.
Yeah, ordering the actual yogurt would be tough. You’d have to give people a 30 second window to come in and pick up their orders.
[Laughs] Exactly. I don’t know how Chipotle does it, but it’s cool that they do.
We’ve had people recommend electronic orders…but everyone changes their order at the last minute, and it’d become a disaster. Even when you come to the register they’re going to goof around and give you samples, and it’s going to make everyone’s wait time longer, but luckily it’s a fun place to wait in line. That’s kind of part of the experience.
When Yogato started, was there something you had in mind for the store, a manifesto?
There are two things there. I wanted it to be a really, really fun store. I didn’t really know what that was going to mean, so we started with the rules. That was there from the beginning. Then two things happened, one, when lines were long, I said “this is garbage” because I hate waiting in line and so we had to make waiting in line fun. That’s when we started handing out samples, and go start playing games, at least it’s fun to wait for a while. That was step 1. Step 2, our customers all have ideas, so step 2 was accepting all customer ideas, and eventually some of them were going to hit. Almost everything in the store is not my idea. A lot of the new rules are customer ideas, a customer recommended the Nintendo, a customer recommended the karaoke machine and we try all of them. Of 80, maybe 2 will work, but it’s cost free to try an idea, and the store optimized itself. A customer will say, why not banana-grams. Okay, why not? And the second you listen to every idea, the store naturally becomes fun.
In the winter it was boring in the store, and somebody said “remember the power pad from the old track and field?”…so I called my mom, had her send me my Nintendo, and ordered a powerpad on ebay and then I was playing with that customer. That was it. We have it in the back, but we bring it out in the winter.
That could get dangerous.
Remember you could cheat on the hurdles by jumping off the powerpad and jumping back on?
I was a stand-up Nintendo player, I can’t empathize. I always hated cheaters like you.
[Laughs]… Have we talked about the honor code? The whole concept of the honor code…If somebody comes in and doesn’t have any money, they just promise on the honor code they’ll come back and pay. And if somebody gets their free yogurt on the honor code, you’ll have them get for free what they normally get.
[In the case of people redeeming their free yogurt] If anybody asks, “what can I get” we tell them, “on the honor code, it’s what you normally get”. So we have this honor code which I think people like. We’ve had hundreds of customers forget cash, we just say “come back and pay us later” and maybe half do but it’s still kind of cool, and better than saying “you can’t have your yogurt” which would be awful.
Agreed. Thanks for taking some time with me, Steve.
No problem. You’ll have to stop by next time you’re in DC.
End of Interview
Quote of the Interview: “I wanted to make [Yogato] the store with everything that I wish all stores would do.”
Hard to argue with that.
Lessons of the Day:
1) Set some ground rules – The options for online marketing are endless and starting off with some simple, intuitive ground rules goes a long way. By committing to basic principles like having fun, and only doing things that you as a customer would like, it makes decisions a lot easier. If too many tweets from a company bothers you, now you’ve got a baseline for how much you’re going to tweet. Maybe you’re somebody who relies on a company for fresh industry content, and tweeting 10 times a day makes more sense. Lay some ground rules, try them out, and you can always adapt them later.
2) Simple can be, and often is, the best option – Simple store, simple website, good user experience. How much do people really need to know about you from your website? Figure out the goal for your site, meet your basic customer needs, and try not to distract people.
3) Even with social media, less can be more – A major selling point of social media is that many people have tuned out traditional media, and now want to interact via social media. Guess what? People are tuning out social media too, because there’s just too much content. By only sharing major events, people are more likely to pay attention when you actually say something.
Note: The author has not been compensated in any way for this interview.
Filed under: Branding, Online Marketing Business Interviews, Promotions, Social Media, Web by Eric Ast on Friday, April 2, 2010 | Social tagging: Simple > Yogato
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